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		<title>Comment on Can&#8217;t Darwin and God get along? by will</title>
		<link>http://apexnaturalism.org/2008/07/01/cant-darwin-and-god-get-along/#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is frustrating because Gilberson admits to his own cognitive dissonance. Ultimately he uses the same the reasoning as the creationists he condemns.

The sum of his argument seems to be that there is a God because I need for there to be a God.

This need is the insanity that is at the heart of the human condition. In a nutshell the cause of this insanity is:
1. Both the experience and belief that self is unitary, autonomous, central and disembodied.
2. Both the experience and belief that self has the absolute ability to choose between two courses of action (free will).

The results of the above are:
1. Existential malaise - feelings of aloneness, alienation, and the feeling that life has no meaning.
2. Existential terror - existence is perceived as self and not-self. The cessation of self is perceived as a void. This is the nameless terror that can grip a person when they contemplate their own death.

The supernatural band-aid solution is to believe in a god. This offers relief from the feelings of aloneness and alienation. In addition an immortal soul offers relief from existential terror. A soul is simply the self imbued with the characteristic of immortality.

But this is a false solution. It can only work in so far as the person can maintain a certain credulousness. The person also has to be able to endure some cognitive dissonance i.e. contradictory ideas. Most of the time this involves compartmentalizing reality. Keeping supernatural beliefs with its own set of rules in one section of reality and everyday reality in another section.

The real cure for existential malaise and terror is to embody the mind. Embodying the mind changes the experience and perception of self. It means changing the perception and experience of self from unitary and autonomous to diffuse and interconnected.
But this is a big step. It means changing the fundamental psychodynamic structure of the mind. Buddhists have been making these psychodynamic changes with varying degrees of success for millenia. They call it enlightenment. You can think of Buddhist enlightenment as a sort of psychological therapy for existential malaise and terror.

Short of enlightenment, I don't ever see people like Gilberson ever giving up their belief in the supernatural. Or objectivists giving up their strident belief in Free Will. etc, etc.

This is the impasse we find ourselves at. It is a chasm between people that can never be bridged by rational arguments alone.

Will</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is frustrating because Gilberson admits to his own cognitive dissonance. Ultimately he uses the same the reasoning as the creationists he condemns.</p>
<p>The sum of his argument seems to be that there is a God because I need for there to be a God.</p>
<p>This need is the insanity that is at the heart of the human condition. In a nutshell the cause of this insanity is:<br />
1. Both the experience and belief that self is unitary, autonomous, central and disembodied.<br />
2. Both the experience and belief that self has the absolute ability to choose between two courses of action (free will).</p>
<p>The results of the above are:<br />
1. Existential malaise - feelings of aloneness, alienation, and the feeling that life has no meaning.<br />
2. Existential terror - existence is perceived as self and not-self. The cessation of self is perceived as a void. This is the nameless terror that can grip a person when they contemplate their own death.</p>
<p>The supernatural band-aid solution is to believe in a god. This offers relief from the feelings of aloneness and alienation. In addition an immortal soul offers relief from existential terror. A soul is simply the self imbued with the characteristic of immortality.</p>
<p>But this is a false solution. It can only work in so far as the person can maintain a certain credulousness. The person also has to be able to endure some cognitive dissonance i.e. contradictory ideas. Most of the time this involves compartmentalizing reality. Keeping supernatural beliefs with its own set of rules in one section of reality and everyday reality in another section.</p>
<p>The real cure for existential malaise and terror is to embody the mind. Embodying the mind changes the experience and perception of self. It means changing the perception and experience of self from unitary and autonomous to diffuse and interconnected.<br />
But this is a big step. It means changing the fundamental psychodynamic structure of the mind. Buddhists have been making these psychodynamic changes with varying degrees of success for millenia. They call it enlightenment. You can think of Buddhist enlightenment as a sort of psychological therapy for existential malaise and terror.</p>
<p>Short of enlightenment, I don&#8217;t ever see people like Gilberson ever giving up their belief in the supernatural. Or objectivists giving up their strident belief in Free Will. etc, etc.</p>
<p>This is the impasse we find ourselves at. It is a chasm between people that can never be bridged by rational arguments alone.</p>
<p>Will</p>
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		<title>Comment on Did Atheism loose morals cause 911? by will</title>
		<link>http://apexnaturalism.org/2008/04/10/did-atheism-loose-morals-cause-911/#comment-154</link>
		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dinesh D’Souza served as the senior policy analyst in Ronald Reagan’s White House from 1987 to 1988.

It is a common tactic of conservatives to accuse the other side of the exact crimes that they are guilty of - no matter how ridiculous the association.

But lets call it what it is: Hate Speech</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dinesh D’Souza served as the senior policy analyst in Ronald Reagan’s White House from 1987 to 1988.</p>
<p>It is a common tactic of conservatives to accuse the other side of the exact crimes that they are guilty of - no matter how ridiculous the association.</p>
<p>But lets call it what it is: Hate Speech</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sex takes 3 to 13 minutes, study says by will</title>
		<link>http://apexnaturalism.org/2008/04/03/sex-takes-3-to-13-minutes-study-says/#comment-152</link>
		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does that include dinner?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does that include dinner?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Controversial Billboard Causes Consternation in Florida by will</title>
		<link>http://apexnaturalism.org/2008/03/30/controversial-billboard-causes-consternation-in-florida/#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Original story was removed from the local TV channel's website.
Too controversial?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Original story was removed from the local TV channel&#8217;s website.<br />
Too controversial?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bad Religion Singer Gets Award for Atheism by trufflelily</title>
		<link>http://apexnaturalism.org/2008/03/28/bad-religion-singer-gets-award-for-atheism/#comment-150</link>
		<dc:creator>trufflelily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations on your award, and my high regards for the great job in promoting reason and critical thinking over religion. It is people like you that make a difference in the world. And, besides, your music is awesome. trufflelily</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations on your award, and my high regards for the great job in promoting reason and critical thinking over religion. It is people like you that make a difference in the world. And, besides, your music is awesome. trufflelily</p>
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		<title>Comment on Saudi Arabia Calls for Interfaith Dialogue in Order to Persecute Atheists by will</title>
		<link>http://apexnaturalism.org/2008/03/27/saudi-arabia-calls-for-interfaith-dialogue-in-order-to-persecute-atheists/#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like he is calling for a meeting of crime families.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like he is calling for a meeting of crime families.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Girl Died as Parents Prayed by will</title>
		<link>http://apexnaturalism.org/2008/03/27/girl-died-as-parents-prayed/#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did she die of Diabetes or Superstition?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did she die of Diabetes or Superstition?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rise of the Machine by will</title>
		<link>http://apexnaturalism.org/2008/03/24/rise-of-the-machine/#comment-147</link>
		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if you can ride it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if you can ride it?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Christians, Muslims Move Ahead on Global Talks by will</title>
		<link>http://apexnaturalism.org/2008/03/19/christians-muslims-move-ahead-on-global-talks/#comment-142</link>
		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an old saying that when you see your enemies talking to each other it is time to put stones upon the wall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an old saying that when you see your enemies talking to each other it is time to put stones upon the wall.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Olympics chief rejects boycott over Tibet by will</title>
		<link>http://apexnaturalism.org/2008/03/16/olympics-chief-rejects-boycott-over-tibet/#comment-140</link>
		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit that I have always been ambivalent about China hosting the Olympic Games.
On the one had I do see the need for engagement and dialog with China.
But on the other hand, having the Olympic Games in China may be interpreted as an implicit approval of what is a totalitarian regime.
I think this whole situation with Tibet could have been predicted beforehand.
In addition, China is shutting down all the factories around Beijing for 8 weeks prior to the Olympics in order to cut down on smog.
Will this negatively impact the workers in those factories?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit that I have always been ambivalent about China hosting the Olympic Games.<br />
On the one had I do see the need for engagement and dialog with China.<br />
But on the other hand, having the Olympic Games in China may be interpreted as an implicit approval of what is a totalitarian regime.<br />
I think this whole situation with Tibet could have been predicted beforehand.<br />
In addition, China is shutting down all the factories around Beijing for 8 weeks prior to the Olympics in order to cut down on smog.<br />
Will this negatively impact the workers in those factories?</p>
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